diff --git a/src/menus/ToolbarMenus.cpp b/src/menus/ToolbarMenus.cpp
index 4933cca0b..4b76301fd 100644
--- a/src/menus/ToolbarMenus.cpp
+++ b/src/menus/ToolbarMenus.cpp
@@ -253,93 +253,98 @@ static CommandHandlerObject &findCommandHandler(AudacityProject &) {
 
 #define FN(X) (& ToolbarActions::Handler :: X)
 
-// Under /MenuBar/View
-MenuTable::BaseItemSharedPtr ToolbarsMenu()
+namespace{
+using namespace MenuTable;
+BaseItemSharedPtr ToolbarsMenu()
 {
-   using namespace MenuTable;
    using Options = CommandManager::Options;
 
    static const auto checkOff = Options{}.CheckState( false );
 
    static BaseItemSharedPtr menu{
    ( FinderScope{ findCommandHandler },
-   Menu( wxT("Toolbars"), XO("&Toolbars"),
-      Section( "Reset",
-         /* i18n-hint: (verb)*/
-         Command( wxT("ResetToolbars"), XXO("Reset Toolb&ars"),
-            FN(OnResetToolBars), AlwaysEnabledFlag )
-      ),
+   Section( wxT("Toolbars"),
+      Menu( wxT("Toolbars"), XO("&Toolbars"),
+         Section( "Reset",
+            /* i18n-hint: (verb)*/
+            Command( wxT("ResetToolbars"), XXO("Reset Toolb&ars"),
+               FN(OnResetToolBars), AlwaysEnabledFlag )
+         ),
 
-      Section( "Other",
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            with the big buttons on it (play record etc)*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowTransportTB"), XXO("&Transport Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowTransportToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows a toolbar
-            that has some tools in it*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowToolsTB"), XXO("T&ools Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowToolsToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            with the recording level meters*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowRecordMeterTB"), XXO("&Recording Meter Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowRecordMeterToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            with the playback level meter*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowPlayMeterTB"), XXO("&Playback Meter Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowPlayMeterToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
+         Section( "Other",
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               with the big buttons on it (play record etc)*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowTransportTB"), XXO("&Transport Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowTransportToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows a toolbar
+               that has some tools in it*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowToolsTB"), XXO("T&ools Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowToolsToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               with the recording level meters*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowRecordMeterTB"), XXO("&Recording Meter Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowRecordMeterToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               with the playback level meter*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowPlayMeterTB"), XXO("&Playback Meter Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowPlayMeterToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
 
-         /* --i18nhint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            which has sound level meters*/
-         //Command( wxT("ShowMeterTB"), XXO("Co&mbined Meter Toolbar"),
-         //   FN(OnShowMeterToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* --i18nhint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               which has sound level meters*/
+            //Command( wxT("ShowMeterTB"), XXO("Co&mbined Meter Toolbar"),
+            //   FN(OnShowMeterToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
 
+               ,
+
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               with the mixer*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowMixerTB"), XXO("Mi&xer Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowMixerToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar for editing*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowEditTB"), XXO("&Edit Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowEditToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               for transcription (currently just vary play speed)*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowTranscriptionTB"), XXO("Pla&y-at-Speed Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowTranscriptionToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               that enables Scrub or Seek playback and Scrub Ruler*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowScrubbingTB"), XXO("Scru&b Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowScrubbingToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               that manages devices*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowDeviceTB"), XXO("&Device Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowDeviceToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               for selecting a time range of audio*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowSelectionTB"), XXO("&Selection Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowSelectionToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
+      #ifdef EXPERIMENTAL_TIMER_TOOLBAR
             ,
-
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            with the mixer*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowMixerTB"), XXO("Mi&xer Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowMixerToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar for editing*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowEditTB"), XXO("&Edit Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowEditToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            for transcription (currently just vary play speed)*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowTranscriptionTB"), XXO("Pla&y-at-Speed Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowTranscriptionToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            that enables Scrub or Seek playback and Scrub Ruler*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowScrubbingTB"), XXO("Scru&b Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowScrubbingToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            that manages devices*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowDeviceTB"), XXO("&Device Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowDeviceToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff ),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            for selecting a time range of audio*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowSelectionTB"), XXO("&Selection Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowSelectionToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
-   #ifdef EXPERIMENTAL_TIMER_TOOLBAR
-         ,
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            for viewing actual time of the cursor*/
-         Command( wxT("ShowTimerToolBarTB"), XXO("&Timer Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowTimerToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
-   #endif
-   #ifdef EXPERIMENTAL_SPECTRAL_EDITING
-         ,
-         Command( wxT("ShowSpectralSelectionTB"),
-         /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
-            for selecting a frequency range of audio*/
-            XXO("Spe&ctral Selection Toolbar"),
-            FN(OnShowSpectralSelectionToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
-   #endif
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               for viewing actual time of the cursor*/
+            Command( wxT("ShowTimerToolBarTB"), XXO("&Timer Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowTimerToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
+      #endif
+      #ifdef EXPERIMENTAL_SPECTRAL_EDITING
+            ,
+            Command( wxT("ShowSpectralSelectionTB"),
+            /* i18n-hint: Clicking this menu item shows the toolbar
+               for selecting a frequency range of audio*/
+               XXO("Spe&ctral Selection Toolbar"),
+               FN(OnShowSpectralSelectionToolBar), AlwaysEnabledFlag, checkOff )
+      #endif
+         )
       )
    ) ) };
    return menu;
 }
 
-namespace {
-using namespace MenuTable;
+AttachedItem sAttachment1{
+   Placement{ wxT("View/Other"), { OrderingHint::Begin } },
+   Shared( ToolbarsMenu() )
+};
+
 BaseItemSharedPtr ExtraToolsMenu()
 {
    static BaseItemSharedPtr menu{
diff --git a/src/menus/ViewMenus.cpp b/src/menus/ViewMenus.cpp
index f6c1026ff..e4b3baa00 100644
--- a/src/menus/ViewMenus.cpp
+++ b/src/menus/ViewMenus.cpp
@@ -382,8 +382,6 @@ static CommandHandlerObject &findCommandHandler(AudacityProject &project) {
 
 #define FN(X) (& ViewActions::Handler :: X)
 
-MenuTable::BaseItemSharedPtr ToolbarsMenu();
-
 // Under /MenuBar
 namespace {
 using namespace MenuTable;
@@ -440,12 +438,6 @@ BaseItemSharedPtr ViewMenu()
 
       Section( "Windows" ),
 
-      Section( "",
-         //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
-
-         ToolbarsMenu()
-      ),
-
       Section( "Other",
          Command( wxT("ShowExtraMenus"), XXO("&Extra Menus (on/off)"),
             FN(OnShowExtraMenus), AlwaysEnabledFlag,